Where does Assange see Wikileaks in 10 years? "It's not what I want the world to be. It's what I want the rest of the world to be," he replies.
He would like to see all media develop their own forms of Wikileaks. That would put his own website out of business, I point out.
''We have a proposal to [an American foundation] for a grant to just that,'' he replies, explaining that Wikileaks could create systems for all media organisations.
A thought: has he ever met Rupert Murdoch? ''No.''
Nor has he met Stieg Larsson, Assange tells me.
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